Wednesday, January 03, 2007

Pelosi flips, shuts out GOP

I'm shocked at Pelosi's flip-flop here. I'm also shocked that I see deer crossing roads in Livingston County and I'm shocked that the Lions had another losing season under Matt Millen. This isn't a complaint since I wouldn't expect anything less from the old guard's comeback. It's the same old song and dance controlling congress. Most of these reps have been around for 20-30 years. Henry "ban everything" Waxman, Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd, Pat Leahy, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd, Pete Stark, George Miller, John Conyers, etc.

From the Washington Post.

Democrats To Start Without GOP Input
As they prepare to take control of Congress this week and face up to campaign pledges to restore bipartisanship and openness, Democrats are planning to largely sideline Republicans from the first burst of lawmaking.

House Democrats intend to pass a raft of popular measures as part of their well-publicized plan for the first 100 hours. They include tightening ethics rules for lawmakers, raising the minimum wage, allowing more research on stem cells and cutting interest rates on student loans.

They are doing the same thing Tom Foley did. Too bad Pelosi isn't from a swing area like Spokane, but from San Francisco which would vote for Joe Stalin.

If the Republicans want the house back, they need to make sure the dems do not lead and that they DO lead. The GOP needs to LEAD, and make the dems follow. They have the ability to do that, just as the dems in the minority (due mostly to the idiots in the senate) derailed what the GOP did. This takes hardball and guts, and is the same type of thing the dems to against the GOP.

The GOP needs to do this.
1. Come up with strong alternative plans to Pelosi's. The alternatives must be solid have have less government principles. Going away from that hurt us.
2. Find the snakes in Pelosi's plan, and expose it.
3. Split the "conservative dems" away from Pelosi. If that doesn't work - fillibuster the dems plans in the senate unless there is compromise. Put pressure on Jim Webb and Jon Tester constantly for the next six years. Put pressure on the House Freshmen who won in districts they normally wouldn't have in regular elections. The three in Indiana, the Kentucky seat, Western North Carolina, Topeka Kansas, two or three of the Pennsylvania seats, The New Hampshire coastal seat (The other one was historically dem and flipped back), and those areas.
4. Have Bush go on offense and announce he'll sign the alternative plan, but not Pelosi's for the reasons given.
5. Bush and the GOP need to do a Clinton and take credit for all the reforms - but unlike Clinton's taking credit for GOP reforms, the reforms need to really be GOP reforms.

Time to play hardball.

I haven't seen the dems plans yet, but I expect a few snakes in the grass there (just like I would from a McCain plan) which would take some freedoms away - there always is one somewhere.


BigShot said...

I agree with the article 150%, but I think the GOP needs to do even more; act like the majority in both houses. That will show the dems, and the public who really has a plan.

Jeremy Nielson said...

I don't think it takes strength or acting like the majority to win. I don't think having "a plan" mattered in losing the election. The Democrats didn't have a plan, and it worked out fine for them.

We need to connect with the voters. Persuading the voters is more than showing strength or having a plan. We know our ideas work, but they only work if we get elected. If we can't connect with the voters, we don't get elected... logic doesn't always persuade people. Strength doesn't always persuade people.

We need to talk about values. I'm not talking specifically about Bob Bennett values. What do we value, as a party? How do the voters connect to us, through our values? THAT's what wins elections.

bluzie said...

What is this made up lies about the Democrats not having a plan? That is a huge lie. Now we don't chat our plans up, put them out for all to see. But we sure do have a plan.

I think the Dems connected with the voters on our values.

Strong public schools
Fair trade laws to keep our jobs here and not overseas.
Affordable health care so our Seniors can afford their medicine and all our children can be strong and healthy.
Protecting Social Security for our families and senior citizens who depend on it's help.
Protecting and improving medicare and medicaid for those who are sick.
Having strong Diplomatic relations with our allies and the nations of the world to work for peace, climate control and work to help the children of the world.
We as Democrats understand that if we cannot educate all our children and keep them all healthy we will grow weak as a nation.
We have a lot of work to do. The Bush administration and the Republican Congress have weaken our nation and hurt far to many people. Follow the Democratic plan and see how very strong and vigorous our country can once again become.

bluzie said...

Hey.... Bill Clinton did not take credit for any reforms that were not his own. If you are referring to welfare reform, he had already implemented welfare reform as Governor of Arkansas. Welfare reform was his reform and he took a lot of heat for it in his party. Bill did what he thought was right for the nation, he governed not just for the Democrats or Republicans but for Americans.
When you look at his body of work, he was a truly great president.
You may not be able to open your eyes yet and see the truth, but hopefully someday you will see Bill Clinton as a great leader. The world misses his leadership and suffers under George Bush.

Dan said...

Sorry. Clinton sucked. He pushed for the Patriot Act in the name of the War on Drugs in 2000. The guy danced in the blood to push for his gun grabbing. He tried to socialize health care and make it a 15 year felony for me to choose my doctor. He raised taxes, including the gasoline tax making him responsibile for higher gas prices. He got us involved in Bosnia where we had no business being. He signed NAFTA and GATT sending our jobs to Mexico.

I'm glad to see Slick Willie follow Gingrich's Welfare Reform plan. One of the few things he didn't mess up.

We haven't had a good leader or good president since Reagan. Clinton was the 2nd worst in my lifetime (behind Carter).

bluzie said...

I don't know where to begin with your spin, moreover, the lack of truth to your allegations.
1. The Patriot Act was NOTHING like the one in effect right now. You amaze me me with this one.
2. Bill Clinton went along with the Chicago police to stop active shootings and gun play in a Chicago housing project. This saved innocent lives, it would have been more horrific had he not helped the local police.
3. The socialized healthcare as you call it would have been the biggest help to industry and right wing pundit Bill Chrystal acknowledged it was so good if it passed Republicans would have a difficult time ever beating a Democrat again. It was great, your 15 year felony is the biggest bunch of crappola I have ever heard. If you really believe what you say than I dare say you had better do more research! Or you don't give a hoot about the truth and I honestly think you do.
4. We walked into Bosnia and stopped the ethnic cleansing and the rape rooms. We should have gone in earlier. We did not lose life we saved life. This was where we truly were the good guys, not like now, when we are hated around the world for our arrogance and greed.
5.NAFTA with the safety guards for fair trade worked. Bush came in and stripped all the regulations now our companies can pollute and it's a race for the lowest wage.
I am certain before you are out of law school, you will begin to see the truth.

Communications guru said...

You have got to be kidding. The Democrats have been in power for, what all of four hours, and the republicans are already whining about not being involved in the process? You have got to be kidding. After all these years of getting it shoved down their throats Democrats have to be the ones who foster bipartisanship. Its funny after all these years of GOP iron-fisted rule they are now screaming about bipartisanship. The Democrats are doing the things they said they would do to get them control of the House, such as the minimum wage. In other words, they are keeping their campaign promises. Only in wolhirans’s warped brain is that a bad thing.

Wow, I don’t know where wolhirian got those lies. But good job setting the record straight, Bluzie. You go girl!!!!

Dan said...

1. The Patriot Act was bad then (under a different name). It's bad now. I opposed secret searches. Period.

2. Clinton was pushing for house to house searches. That was the source of his "radical constitution and radical bill of rights" quote where he moved to limit freedom.

3. Bill Kristol is no right winger. He's a neo-con who tils left on domestic issues.

4. Bosnia was a civil war the US did not belong in. (The KLA wern't exactly the good guys) There was no US national interest there.

5. NAFTA didn't work then and still doesn't work. Ross Perot was right about that. The "trade safety" guards was a joke much like copyrights in China. GM had a strike in the mid 90's about outsourcing. The boom was due to the tech jobs and dot coms booming with the computer advances.

6. Arkansas. Big deal. He vetoed the national version twice, until he knew that he needed to follow Gingrich to win re-election in 96.

As for Slopshire - I don't expect anything less.

Red Or Dead said...

Clinton was a disgrace to the office, he had no legacy other than Oral sex in the White House. Bluzie what are you smoking. You pull your ideas out of the air.

“Now we don't chat our plans up, put them out for all to see. But we sure do have a plan”
So me a link to any plan Pelosi or Reid stated. There are none. You speak with a forked tongue.

bluzie said...

Everywhere you look Nancy Pelosi has clearly stated what the Dems plan to do in the 1st 100 hours! Just go to and read for yourself, you may have click on the politics tab to find it. Geesh, my tongue is not forked.
As for our campaign plans to win, oh there was a plan, we didn't just happen to win!
Our plans as to wht the Dems plan to do:
raise minimum wage, pass ethics reform, make drugs affordable, and investigate this ridiculous war. Yep read and you too shall see what the Dems plan to do for America.

bluzie said...

Again... go to
Hit the politics tab at the top
Then look down left hand side of the page and look for Democrats pledge.
You will then see what the Democrats pledge to do in the next 100 hours.

If you are against what they pledge we can discuss, but if you just want to rant about the Dems not having a plan. Then we all know you aren't paying attention.

Communications guru said...

Very mature wolhrian.

Red Or Dead said...

Bluize I asked for a link to the Democrats plan prior to the November Election. There was not one. The Democrats did not win the election the GOP lost. Don't let it go to your head.

bluzie said...

Oh wait a minute, do you expect to see our Red to Blue plan all spelled out for you! FORGET IT. Campaign plans are not public, unless you are Rudy Gulliani. Our first 100 hour plan is the platform of all our Congressional candidates.

You are right on one point the Republicans have been working against the middle class for the past 12 years and they now have their eyes open.

When you vote against the middle class you vote against America. The Democrats are in line with middle class values. The Republicans have been working against the middle class. The trickle down theory never seems to get to the middle class while billionaires are multiplying. Most voters care about simple bread and butter issues.

liberalshateusa said...


Not seeing The Democrats plan is a joke, would you choose to let some one watch your children with out knowning there track record, would you let someone work on your house without knowing they are licensed to do the job. Your above post is obsurd. You are a typical Liberal.

You sound like some Grandma that got a computer for X-mas and now you are a political genius. Read what you post, you sound foolish.

Read this From the Detroit News 1-5-07.

Democrats can do lots of damage in 100 hours

The Detroit News

Democrats took over Congress Thursday promising to march through their populist agenda like Sherman through Georgia. Their priority list has understandable appeal -- raise wages for the working poor, limit pork barrel spending, get a better drug deal for Medicare recipients, punish the oil companies. And do it all in 100 hours.

But if rushed into implementation at the speed the Democrats promise, and with only limited opportunity for Republicans to respond, as their new rules dictate, what Democrats are likely to deliver is a package of shallow bills that don't accomplish their goals, are filled with unintended consequences and beg for a presidential veto.

Government spending discipline

# Start with spending. Democratic leaders promise to break the link between congressional spending and special interest lobbyists. More power to them, if they can get real reforms in place.

A more worrisome piece of the spending package is the proposed strengthening of pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) rules that require all new spending to be offset by cuts in other programs or tax increases. We like the principle of PAYGO, but some Democrats want to repeal rules requiring a three-fifths majority to raise taxes and banning retroactive taxes. If that happens, Americans can expect higher taxes in short order. Real reform would place caps on both spending and taxes, and would apply PAYGO to all spending, including emergency appropriations.

Negotiating drug prices

# Democrats pledge to pass legislation allowing the government to directly negotiate Medicare drug prices with the pharmaceutical companies. That may sound like a no-brainer, but it's not likely to work, and it could restrict access to many drugs.

Private companies that administer the Medicaid Part D drug program have been remarkably effective in negotiating favorable prices with the drug makers and, in fact, have kept drug prices below what the government initially estimated.

Rather than negotiate, the government is more likely to engage in price fixing, which will greatly limit the range of medicines available to seniors.

Minimum wage

# Raising the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour from $5.15 will placate the Democrats' union bosses, but won't do much to raise the quality of life for Americans.

First, the claim that minimum wage employees are mostly the working poor struggling to raise families is a myth. The average minimum wage worker lives in a household with an income above $50,000 a year, suggesting that most are teen-agers and college students. Fewer than 20 percent live below the poverty line.

And a minimum wage hike will restrict the number of entry-level jobs, as employers reduce the workforce to control payroll costs.

College student loans

# Democrats want to cut in half the 6.8 percent interest rate on student loans. The theory is that cheaper loans will encourage college attendance. But federal spending on college financial aid has increased 400 percent since 2001 without a surge in college enrollment, according to the Heritage Foundation. The interest rate cut is not something a budget-conscious nation can afford.

Oil and gas drilling tax incentives

# Special tax breaks to encourage oil and gas exploration are also in the Democrats' sights. We know where this will lead -- less exploration, tighter supplies and higher prices for consumers.

Social Security restrictions

# Democrats will also move to pre-emptively ban private Social Security accounts. These self-managed retirement funds are seen by Republicans as a way to head off the coming Social Security crisis.

Allowing workers to own and manage their own retirement funds will provide them with larger benefits and increase the personal wealth of all working Americans. Taking the option off the table makes it more likely that the Social Security solution will be benefit cuts and tax hikes.

Democrats promise to make the nation dizzy with their speed of action this week. We hope they don't make the nation nauseous as well.

Pogo said...

The strategy here is well established. Push through some measures which enjoy widespread popular support, like increasing the minimum wage or cutting interest rates on student loans, which cost the government little or nothing.

If Republicans fight these measures it makes them look like they are just being obstructionist and creates heroes out of the Democrats. As Dan observed, the only way to defeat measures like these is to bring to light unrelated measures that might be hidden within the legislation.

The Democrats themselves have written the strategic blueprint for dealing with popular legislative ideas proposed by the opposing party: Adopt them and then promote them so heavily that both parties can claim credit.

As Dan observed, Bill Clinton was famous for using this tactic and we've seen it again recently with the laws prohibiting the confiscation of guns during emergencies.

Republicans need to resist the temptation to fight against everything the Democrats do so they will have a good store of ammunition to battle the really bad (and dangerous) ideas that are sure to come along later.

bluzie said...

Hey Mr.LHA (Liberals Hate America)
You really don't need to be so personally insulting. I am not a Grama who just received her computer for Christmas. The Dems plan as to what they plan to do once becoming the majority has been what they campaigned on, but of course you probably aren't listening to Dems or you would know this already. The campaign plan, red to blue is what's not for public knowledge.
Mybe you are having problems understanding this, how can I say it clearer?

liberalshateusa said...

Oh wait a minute, do you expect to see our Red to Blue plan all spelled out for you! FORGET IT. Campaign plans are not public

Bluzie, This is what you posted, I asked were can you show me what was the Democrats platform before the November election. Is that simple enough. I have never heard of a Red to Blue plan. A google search "Democrats Red To Blue" links to the Democrats web site to explain a plan in 4 paragraphs to better organize for a election. This is top secret information. And now you are telling us there is a secret plan and you know about it. Again you sound foolish.

liberalshateusa said...

This a link to The Heritage Foundation study on Pelosi's plan for America.The 100-Hour Agenda: The New Congressional Majority's Uneven Proposals,

A short summary on the minimum wage fallacy.

A Mistargeted Proposal
The minimum wage is an extremely ineffective anti-poverty measure. It does not help the poor, low-income workers
its supporters often invoke.
Contrary to the stereotype, most minimum wage workers do not need government assistance. Less than one in five
live below the poverty line, and the average family income of a minimum wage earner is almost $50,000 a year.2
Very few minimum wage workers support a family with their earnings—fewer, in fact, than in the population as a
whole.3 Minimum wage workers are far more likely to be teenagers or college students than single parents working
full time. The majority of minimum wage workers are between the ages of 16 and 24, and over three fifths work
part time.4
Most minimum wage earners also earn raises quickly without government intervention. Minimum wage jobs are
entry-level positions that help unskilled workers gain work-related experience and skills. The ability to productively
interact with customers and coworkers or to accept direction from a boss can be gained only through actual
on-the-job experience. Minimum wage jobs provide workers with the opportunity to gain these skills and become
more productive. Once workers have done so, they earn raises. Two-thirds of minimum wage workers earn a raise
within a year.5 Congress does not need to raise the minimum wage in order for minimum wage workers to increase
their earnings.

Christine said...

"I'm shocked at Pelosi's flip-flop here. I'm also shocked that I see deer crossing roads in Livingston County and I'm shocked that the Lions had another losing season under Matt Millen."

Heh, yeah well I'm shocked that the House Republicans are suddenly interested in supporting a bill of rights for the minority party. I'm also shocked to see a Republican supporting the use of a filibuster now that the Senate has changed hands.

liberalshateusa said...

By Donald Lambro
Published January 7, 2007
One of the first key procedural votes in the Democrat-controlled House last week established legislative rules that Republicans say will make it easier to raise taxes by a simple majority vote.
The straight party-line vote received little attention Thursday as Rep. Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, was elected speaker of the House. But Republican leaders and conservative tax-cut advocates said it opened up a huge loophole in a Republican-imposed rule drawn from the Republicans' 1994 Contract with America, which requires a supermajority, or three-fifths vote, to raise taxes.
Democrats unanimously voted down a motion offered by Minority Leader John A. Boehner of Ohio that would have prevented them from waiving the rule, a move that tax-cutters said signaled the Democrats' intention to raise taxes between now and the 2008 elections.

Watch and see if this come true

liberalshateusa said...

I would be SHOCKED to see a LIBERAL tell the truth. They are in power that is all that ever mattered. The LIberal mindset is that they belong in power. How dare the GOP control Congress for 12 years. They are back in control, they had no platform when the American public voted they in and they will do as they Damm well please. Wall Street already does not like the Liberals in power. Oil is down to 56.31 and the market is still tanking. Hold onto your pocket books.

Sun Jan 07 2007 15:03:38 ET

Democrats ran to expand the work week in the House to 5 days.

But guess how long that lasted?

Not even one week!

"Culture Shock on Capitol Hill: House to Work 5 Days a Week" front-paged the WASHINGTON POST in December.

Majority leader Steny Hoyer said members of the House will be expected in the Capitol for votes each week by 6:30 p.m. Monday and will finish their business about 2 p.m. Friday.

Explained the POST: "Forget the minimum wage. Or outsourcing jobs overseas. The labor issue most on the minds of members of Congress yesterday was their own: They will have to work five days a week starting in January."

But on the morning after the night before, on the first full week of the new congress, Hoyer has pulled back from his vow!

A Hoyer press release obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT boldly declares: "Monday, January 8, 2007: The House is not in session."

Hill sources claim The House is taking Monday 'off' this week, because of the championship football game between Ohio State and the University of Florida.

And, of course, the following Monday is the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday.

100 hours...starting...soon

bluzie said...

Hey LHA,
You sound very foolish to me as well.

liberalshateusa said...

Does the truth hurt.

Every thing the Democrats promised so far was a LIE.

liberalshateusa said...

Another example of the divided Democratic party. Queen P is not going to be as big a factor as she thinks.

Other Democrats distance themselves from Pelosi on additional troop funding
AP - 1/7/2007 2:24 PM - Updated 1/7/2007 10:32 PM

WASHINGTON (AP) _ Some of the other leading Democrats in Congress aren't ready to echo House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's suggestion that lawmakers might hold up funding for additional troops in Iraq.

On CBS's ''Face the Nation'' today, Pelosi said Democrats won't cut off money for those troops already in Iraq -- but that President Bush would have to ''justify any additional resources.'' The comment comes as Bush puts the finishing touches on a plan that could put thousands of additional U.S. troops in Iraq in an effort to stem the sectarian violence.

But Pelosi's second-in-command in the House Democratic leadership, Steny Hoyer, told Fox News he doesn't ''want to anticipate'' that possibility. And the Democrat who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Joe Biden, says Congress doesn't have the power to second-guess Bush's military strategy -- because lawmakers had voted to authorize him to wage war. Biden appeared on NBC's ''Meet the Press.''

The Senate's top Republican, Mitch McConnell, agreed, telling Fox News that Congress can't ''micro-manage'' the tactics in Iraq.