Wednesday, October 04, 2006

Marcinkowski LIES again

From the Argus



But Marcinkowski put the blame for Michigan's economy squarely on Rogers' shoulders for voting for free-trade agreements. He said the agreements don't require other countries to ban child labor or force them to pay fair wages.


Jim, stop LYING. I repeat. Stop LYING.

NAFTA and GATT (The bigger problem) were both passed in the mid 90's. Off the top of my head, somewhere around 1993 and 1995.

They were both signed by Bill Clinton. In 1995, Mike Rogers was a first term state senator who only voted in Lansing, not DC. He did not enter Congress until 2001. He had no chance to vote on Clinton's NAFTA and GATT.

So stop LYING Jim.

23 comments:

Communications guru said...

Calling someone else a liar with your track record of dishonesty is laughable, dan. It’s the fair part of the fair trade act that bush and his cronies, rogers, are responsible for getting rid of.

Stop lying, dan.

anonymous said...

Yeah, lay off Marcinkowski. As we all know, it is an unwritten rule that nobody is allowed to reveal the lying, cheating, and other scandalous actions of Democrats, but if a Republican passes gas in public it is front page news!

Communications guru said...

I agree. If something bad happens, like Mark Foley and the cover-up, it’s the Democrats fault, not the party that controls the House, Senate and the White House.

liberals Hate America said...

The real crime is the person and or persons that held on to the e-mail and IM's ( What about the Children)for such a long time and not release them but instead use them as a October surprise. What is the big deal, you libs love gays why is this any different. Keep in mind that Democrat Rep. Gerry Studds was re-elected five times to the House after acknowledging a sexual relationship with a male page who was a minor, receiving a censure from the House (not expulsion, as was demanded by Newt Gingrich, but voted down by the Democrat majority). The Democrats did not demand his resignation for conduct far more serious than the emails seen by the GOP leadership, and even the salacious IM’s. And then there is Bill Clinton who tarnished the Oval office and now enjoys Rock Star Status.. Talk about Hypocrisy

Luther said...

What can you do this

Coroner: Amish Schoolhouse Shooting Scene Was 'Horrible'

bluzie said...

Republican Mark Foley has broken the law and so have all the Republicans who have covered for him. It seems he has had a fund raiser for Mike Rogers and they have partied together. It doesn't mean that Mike Roger's has broken any laws. He just associates with these people, Tom Delay, Mark Foley and who else? Do we really know?

bluzie said...

I don't think we really know Mike. He's been in Washington for a while, away from his friends and family. He may have suffered a bit from this culture of corruption. Moving back to Brighton may just be what's best for him.

Big Kahuna said...

How very sad that we can take the actions of one person and focus them on another. Mr. Foley is guilty of very poor judgment, however attending fundraisers where people like him are present doesn't paint all attendees with the same brush. What he did was sick and inexcusable. He has resigned as anyone like him should have. I continue to be amazed that the Dems refuse to discuss the issues but want to tarnish the reputations of good people to further their political agenda. I attend fund-raisers, political events, parties, gatherings, chamber events, etc. and I can honestly say I have no idea who in attendance has or is committing crimes, stealing from their employer or beating their spouse. But, some would have you believe that if I am in the same room with them then I must be as guilty as they are. Hmmmmm

liberals Hate America said...

It looks to be another Rather Gate gone wrong. I still to not here one Liberal sticking up for the pages, all they talk about is Foley


XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU OCT 5 2006 2:53:48 ET XXXXX

CLAIM: FILTHY FOLEY ONLINE MESSAGES WERE PAGE PRANK GONE AWRY
**World Exclusive**
**Must Credit the DRUDGE REPORT**

According to two people close to former congressional page Jordan Edmund, the now famous lurid AOL Instant Message exchanges that led to the resignation of Mark Foley were part of an online prank that by mistake got into the hands of enemy political operatives, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal.

According to one Oklahoma source who knows the former page very well, Edmund, a conservative Republican, goaded an unwitting Foley to type embarrassing comments that were then shared with a small group of young Hill politicos. The prank went awry when the saved IM sessions got into the hands of political operatives favorable to Democrats.

The primary source, an ally of Edmund, adamantly proclaims that the former page is not a homosexual. The prank scenario was confirmed by a second associate of Edmund. Both are fearful that their political careers will be affected if they are publicly brought into the investigation.

The prank scenario only applies to the Edmund IM sessions and does not necessarily apply to any other exchanges between the former congressman and others.

The news come on the heels that Edmund has hired former Timothy McVeigh attorney, Stephen Jones.

Developing...

liberals Hate America said...

“This is a firestorm…”, says Howard Dean referring to the Foley controversy. I’m sure right after that he laughed and said, “Thank you God!”

But as the old saying goes, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. The hard questions Democrats must answer are not being asked, yet. Namely, who in the Democratic party knew about this Foley mess and when did they know it. If it comes to light that Democratic party officials knew of this scandal and withheld the information for purpose of political gain, the firestorm just might turn on them.

THINGS THAT MAKE YOU SAY HMMMM?
I read where as of Tuesday there was already a political ad running on CNN slamming the Republican leadership for the “Foley coverup”. If you know exactly what you want to say in the script and have all of the video elements produced it takes a half a day to produce a good TV commercial.. So how did an “unknown scandal” find its way into a political ad that begain airing Tuesday? In a pinch, 1 could throw together an ad in about 2 to four hours. Write a script, get a voice over guy, produce the audio, lay the audio on the timeline, find pictures and video to use, create graphics, apply some effects to make it look interesting…..that all takes time, but a political script has to be vetted by campaign officials, lawyers, etc…..AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, YOU HAVE TO BUY THE TIME. Now it’s possible that whoever paid to have this ad produced might have had some time banked and its possible that right after hearing Hastert admit that he knew about some of the messages they just threw a spot together and its possible that Clinton "Did not have sex with that woman"

This stinks like a setup and I think the end result will be a charged up Republican base that has grown tired of having crap slung in their face and being called Nazis. Republicans will go to the polls in record numbers this November and help their party make history by holding control in both houses of congress.

We’ll see you at the polls in November.

Communications guru said...

Are you serious? All Mark Foley is guilty of is “poor judgment?” Get real. How are Democrats “refusing to discuss the Issues?” The real issue is not whether Mike Rogers associated with Mark Foley, it’s the fact that he said he has never seen him socially, but an items turns up where Rogers went to a party at his house. What does that make him, Larry? Not a lollygagger but a liar.

Now, whether Rogers knew of the explicit E-mails to underage Pages like the rest of the gop leadership remains to be seen.

Communications guru said...

Why is it even relevant if the Democrats knew about his -x-rated e-mails? They are not the party in power, and there is absolutely nothing they can do about it. They kept the one Democrat on the Page Board, a Michigan Congressman, completely in the dark.

It’s so funny but typical that somehow you in the party of alleged morals and family values are trying to blame the Democrats for yet another republican scandal. What a joke. I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read your warped conspiracy theory. Just pathetic and sad like you liberal.

Apparently conservatives hate themselves while liberals love America.

Republican Michigander said...

That clip of Foley and Mike was when they were on their way to a business meeting at the White House. It wasn't a party by any stretch of the imagination, but work.

liberals Hate America said...

Guru reality is the sole relevant issue facing the nation in four weeks. This isn’t about what Congressman Foley did or didn’t do with pages. That’s irrelevant. And, it should be irrelevant to all who are indeed repulsed by his behavior. Frankly, everybody in America should be so repulsed.
But, that’s really not the case, is it? Many of those crying foul would be defending Foley’s actions if there was a “D” after his name instead of an “R”.
Those who really are offended shouldn’t place their trust in those who are pretending to be, and shouldn’t think the solution to this problem is to allow the secular left to take over the country.
But that is what is at stake on November 7. And, as tough as it might be for folks that actually have principles to believe, their best interests are served by those currently in power and not by those willing to do and say anything to regain it.
After all, Nancy Pelosi suggesting that she is the bastion of virtue and morality is akin to Ramses telling the Jews that they’re better off with him than Moses.
The right fight
The fact is that people bothered by this incident should compare the voting records of those seeking to use this scandal to take over the Congress to those currently in control. It’s quite simple, really. For example, Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert R-Illinois:
• Voted twice in 2003 for a bill outlawing partial birth abortions
• Has consistently voted in favor of outlawing flag-burning
• Voted for the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996
• Voted against funding the National Endowment for the Arts in 1992 and 1998
• Voted for all four articles of impeachment of President Bill Clinton in 1998
• Voted for the Child Custody Protection Act in 2006
• Voted for the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill in 2003
• Voted for the Border Security Bill in 2005
• Voted for the Terry Schiavo Incapacitated Persons Bill in 2005
• Voted against stem cell research in 2005 and 2006
• Voted for the Same Sex Marriage Resolution (stating that marriage is a union between a man and a woman) in 2006
• Voted for the Welfare Reform Bill twice in 1995, the Welfare Reform Act of 1996 twice, and the Welfare Reform Bill twice in 2003
• Voted for the President’s 2001 and 2003 tax cuts
• Voted for the Patriot Act in 2001, and its reauthorization in 2005.
By contrast, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi D-California, has virtually the exact opposite voting record:
• She has consistently voted against any restrictions to abortion, including partial-births
• She has consistently voted against laws that would ban flag-burning
• Voted against the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996
• Voted against all four articles of impeachment in 1998
• Voted against the Medicare Prescription Drug Bill in 2003
• Voted against the Child Custody Protection Act in 2006
• Voted against the Secure Fence Act of 2005 and the Border Security Bill in 2005
• Voted against reauthorizing the Patriot Act in 2005 and 2006
• Voted for stem cell research in 2005 and 2006
• Voted against the Same Sex Marriage Resolution in 2006
• Voted against the Welfare Reform Bill twice in 1995, against the Welfare Reform Act of 1996 twice, and against the Welfare Reform Bill twice in 2003
• Voted against the President’s 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.
The glaring differences between the current House Speaker and the person who wants his job should make it easy for voters across the country to determine which candidate better represents their core beliefs regardless of what Foley has done. And, this same principle should apply to candidates in states and congressional districts across the country.
It’s really that simple. In the end, it is likely that every race this November has the same disparate positions between the two candidates on the ballot as these two Congressional leaders.
Wake up, America. One virtually unknown congressman’s sexual indiscretions don’t trump all the other issues facing the nation at this critical juncture in history.

Stands Right said...
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Stands Right said...

Today's New York Times, of all things, features Marcinkowski shooting himself in both feet and kneecaps. Comes across as a complete prissy. Front page.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/07/us/politics/07longshot.html?hp&ex=1160193600&en=7733bd3558e15db2&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Communications guru said...

I agree with you, Hastert has a pathetic voting record. That even overlooks the fact he assigned a person he knew to be a predator to head the Missing and Exploited Children Caucus. What was his reasoning? That Foley exploited children so he has the experience? I would never defend a Democrat accused of statuary rape.

Well, hate America, people with principals like me know that the immoral people in power do not serve anyone’s interests but their own. I will do what I can to see that the greatest country in the world does not become the biggest bully on the block that tortures people, kills innocent people and lies. BTW hate America, Foley is not a Congressman.

You’re right, dan, clips of rogers walking with Foley isn’t a party by any stretch of the imagination, but attending a party at his house is. This is from the Michiganliberal blog,

“October 2, 2002 5:30-7:00 pm Join Candidate Katherine Harris (FL-13) for a Reception with Congressman Henry Hyde (IL-6), Congressman Mark Foley (FL-16), Congressman Richard Burr (NC-5) and Congressman Mike Rogers (MI-8)
The Home of Congressman Mark Foley (FL-16) - 137 D Street, SE
$1,000 per PAC; $500 per Individual
Keelen Communications (703) 548-0092 or e-mail info@keelencomm.com”

This is after rogers told the P & A he only knew Foley professionally not socially. I would call that a lie, don’t you dan?

Republicans Hate America said...

Hi RM,

Jim didn't say anything about NAFTA or GATT. He didn't mention any specific agreements in that article. And Mike Rogers did vote for CAFTA and a few other agreements.

http://www.ontheissues.org/states/MI_Free_Trade.htm

Just sayin'.

liberals Hate America said...

"I would never defend a Democrat accused of statuary rape". Guru who raped whom? "Former Democrat Rep. Gerry Studds” admitted to have sex with a congressional page and was re-elected several times. He was not forced to resign by his party Democrats aka Liberals, as was Foley by the Republican Party.

"Why is it even relevant if the Democrats knew about his -x-rated e-mails? They are not the party in power", What about the CHILDREN?

"Are you serious? All Mark Foley is guilty of is “poor judgment?” Get real". Then why is the Liberal Drive By Media on such a feeding frenzy as you are by such a simple e-mail?

Guru all of the above quotes are from you. Do you even read what you write, you contradict yourself consistently to push your warped Rose-colored view of the world. Do you have schizophrenia and or halfheimer's like the rest of the aging hippies in your uber liberal party?

Republicans Hate America nice copycat move, can’t you do some independent thinking, or is your head also morphed onto guru’s ass?

All you uber liberals want to do is bash Bush, lets talk about what the Liberals will do if they gain control of Washington, duh thats right they have no plan so lets keep Foley in the spotlight and maybe we can pull the wool over the American publics head and sneak in the back door. And the real disaster would be if Nancy Pelosi becomes speaker of the House or Harry Reid becomes the Senate majority leader. Can anyone really see Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid as responsible war leaders in Congress? And last but not least there would by Democratic Congressman Sir Charles Rangel whom would be The House Committee on Ways and Means Chairman and has stated he would Impeach President George W Bush. I almost hope you Uber Liberals win control of both Houses as then Americans would get another dose of your warped direction to lead this Great Country of ours and we would then get another Republican President Newt Gingrich.

Communications guru said...

What a crock, hate America. I had no idea who Gary Studds was until I looked him up. A 22-year old case is the best you can do? He admitted to having sex with a 17-year-old male page in 1973. That’s the legal age of consent, at least in 1973. However, he was censored and stripped of his chairmanship. I’m assuming the House was controlled by the Democrats, but I’m not sure. However, only three people voted against censure. Of course you failed to mention the republican, Dan Crane, who was also censored in the same scandal. I guess because it was with a female so in your warped brain that’s OK. And you would never accepted responsibility for wrong doing in your party. Who made Crane do it, the Democrats too?

However, Studds accepted responsibility for his actions and his home district chose to re-elect him. He was also the first openly gay man in Congress. Hate America, who forced Foley to resign? No one. Foley resigned because he was a coward, ducked responsibility and blamed it on drinking and alleged he was molested. Also, he’s a liar because he is gay and he goes along with his colleagues who are bashing and discriminating against gays. However, you are right. Foley has not been indicted for statuary rape. At least not yet. If he wanted to run on that record like Studds I would have no problem with it.

It’s not relevant that the Democrats knew about the e-mails because they were powerless to do anything about it. If they said anything, if they even knew, I’ll bet you, hate America, would be the first to scream about dirty politics, personal attacks and a smear campaign. Mark Foley is guilty of much more than “poor judgment.” I never said that, you did. That’s how you tried to down play it. I know he’s guilty of much more than poor judgment. Trying to blame the Democrats is so funny but typical, but your warped mind would try anything to avoid responsibility.

The references to “liberal media” and “drive by media” are ridiculous clich├ęs that have no basis in fact, and they have been debunked time after time.

Yes, hate America; I can see Nancy Pelosi becoming speaker of the House or Harry Reid becoming the Senate majority leader. It would restore some responsibly to government, or at least a little common sense.

I do hope bush is impeached because he certainly deserves it. At the very least he should take some responsibility and answer for his disastrous failed policies. My only hope is it happens before he plunges us into another deadly folly/war.

You honestly want gingrich as president? You just went on and on about morals, but here’s a man that’s been married three times and committed adultery while his wife was being treated for cancer and divorced her in her hospital bed while recovering from cancer surgery, Class, all class. You sure are the party of morals and family values. If you truly want a defense of marriage act, do not let him marry again.

Wasn’t it snoot who signed the so-called "contract with America" that said if there were any scandals on their watch to throw them out. Hey, hate America, they broke the contract, and it’s time.

liberals Hate America said...

Guru is this the party of Morals that you speak of. Another prime example of Liberal Hypocrisy, just as in the Foley case. If Foley had been a Democrat the Drive By Media would have never touched the story.


Oct 11, 7:50 PM (ET)

By JOHN SOLOMON and KATHLEEN HENNESSEY


WASHINGTON (AP) - Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid collected a $1.1 million windfall on a Las Vegas land sale even though he hadn't personally owned the property for three years, property deeds show.

In the process, Reid did not disclose to Congress an earlier sale in which he transferred his land to a company created by a friend and took a financial stake in that company, according to records and interviews.

The Nevada Democrat's deal was engineered by Jay Brown, a longtime friend and former casino lawyer whose name surfaced in a major political bribery trial this summer and in other prior organized crime investigations. He's never been charged with wrongdoing - except for a 1981 federal securities complaint that was settled out of court.

Land deeds obtained by The Associated Press during a review of Reid's business dealings show:

Communications guru said...

Yes. Hate America. Why didn'
the "drive by media" ignore this story? Try again, hate.

liberals Hate America said...

This is the best, now your Looney liberal leaders are going to praise the guy. The funeral will turn out like the Paul Wellstone debacle. Just another chance to avoid the real issue that the DemocRATS have no vision for the future; they will just attack Bush as they did with Rosa Parks. You and your party of DemocRATS are truly PATHIC.

"Gerry was a stalwart champion of New England's fishing families as well as a committed environmentalist who worked hard to demonstrate that the cause of working people and the cause of the environment go hand in hand with the right leadership. When he retired from Congress, he did not retire from the cause, continuing to fight for the fishing industry and New England's environmental causes.

- U.S. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.

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"I am very saddened by the death of Gerry Studds. From his days in the early 1970s as an articulate and effective opponent of the Vietnam war, through his consistent leadership on environmental issues, to his insistence that the U.S. government stop ignoring the AIDS crisis, Gerry was a forceful advocate for causes that were not always popular and that were consequently shunned by many politicians."

- U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass.